No you don't, you know the sun rises every day, you know the stove is hot.
How do you know these things? You can scientifically conclude this through experimentation and logical deduction.
Too many people confuse what they know with what they believe. Then they take the word "faith" and make it synonymous with "belief", and make it seem like it's normal and logical to believe in something that cannot in any way, shape or form, prove the existence of a supernatural being.
If you believe in god(s), feel free to point out why YOUR god is the right one, and how every other god(s) out there is wrong.
@neoform. I agree with every single comment you have made, and am very impressed by the energy you've put into debating with these people. It's sad how obvious religious brainwashing is to those who are not under it's spell. Atheism is not a religion - it's simply the lack of belief in any gods. All morality is man-made. It simply evolves over time. Thats why things that are not acceptable today, were commonplace hundreds of years ago. The truth is still the truth, even when no one believes it, and a lie is still a lie, even when everyone believes it.
Beautifully said Derrick. And yes, the brainwash is unfortunate and only changeable by another brainwash of equal integrity in most cases... then whats the point? I think the ideal goal in my opinion would be for people to let go of all ego and learn to think for themselves. I'm seeing it slowly manifest itself more and more in my puny 30 years of life so it looks hopeful for the future.
Believe: to have confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something, although without absolute proof that one is right in doing so
Admittedly terms always kill an argument, unfortunately for you, you're wrong in this term.
I have confidence in the existence of the sun. So yeah, I believe in the reliability of the rising sun.
And while we are on the subject:
Faith-confidence or trust in a person or thing
Belief-confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof
Look it up.
My evidence won't convince you because 1. it's too complicated to explain, and 2. you would say I'm wrong even though I'm right.
-facepalm- arguing with people is so pointless. I'm never going to change my mind and you will never change yours. Can we agree to disagree?
While I agree that atheism isn't a religion, it does require faith. It's a philosophical idea that you can't disprove something by saying, "I've never seen it." In order to 100% disprove the existence of any god, you would have to have complete, all encompassing knowledge of everything created. This would make you omnipotent, and therefor, the equivalent of a god. Atheism ultimately boils down to the following of reason until you're forced to make a leap of faith. Anyone who says "There might be a god, but I'm waiting for evidence." is agnostic, and lives in a constant state of doubt. There is no faith in that. That is lukewarm. To make a stand, one way or another, is to have faith, whether it is in the affirmative or the negative.
well considering its all man-made, and all conscientious thought is built upon with every new idea, i'd deftly have to say that it came from one hell of a time
Your argument takes place in a universe of constants, but that does not exist. No ones actually knows anything, they just believe in what they think they know. This belief in said "knowledge" comes from the accuracy and probability of said event occurring. If something occurs 9.99999... times out of 10, people make the generalization that it is a constant. That is Not the case. Said event just has a very high probability of occurring.
No one actually knows the sun will rise tomorrow, but the probability of it happening is very high. No one actually knows that touching a stove will burn them, not all stoves in the world are hot. Some of them are turned off.
Atheism is a belief, because of the variables of chance and probability. You do not actually know that there is no god. I do not actually know there is. Neither of us can actually prove either of our theories which we believe/put faith in.
Your are right about faith being a synonym to belief, but I am not sure why that is relevant to
the actual logic of your argument.
*if we wanna get really picky about the world choice and syntax i use, we can interchange the term belief with world-view. I use the term belief generally and freely since i believe in thing and not world-view things.
Plus guys do not get mad about all this god, no god stuff. Ill go ahead and spoil all the mystery for you. God is Dr. Manhattan from the watchmen. See? now life is a who lot simpler. oh wait...no its not.
No you don't, you know the sun rises every day, you know the stove is hot.
How do you know these things? You can scientifically conclude this through experimentation and logical deduction.
Too many people confuse what they know with what they believe. Then they take the word "faith" and make it synonymous with "belief", and make it seem like it's normal and logical to believe in something that cannot in any way, shape or form, prove the existence of a supernatural being.
If you believe in god(s), feel free to point out why YOUR god is the right one, and how every other god(s) out there is wrong.
I await your evidence.
@neoform. I agree with every single comment you have made, and am very impressed by the energy you've put into debating with these people. It's sad how obvious religious brainwashing is to those who are not under it's spell. Atheism is not a religion - it's simply the lack of belief in any gods. All morality is man-made. It simply evolves over time. Thats why things that are not acceptable today, were commonplace hundreds of years ago. The truth is still the truth, even when no one believes it, and a lie is still a lie, even when everyone believes it.
Beautifully said Derrick. And yes, the brainwash is unfortunate and only changeable by another brainwash of equal integrity in most cases... then whats the point? I think the ideal goal in my opinion would be for people to let go of all ego and learn to think for themselves. I'm seeing it slowly manifest itself more and more in my puny 30 years of life so it looks hopeful for the future.
I think Kyle and Derrick just fell in love! aww, gayness..the ultimate slap in the face of average joe!
Believe: to have confidence in the truth, the existence, or the reliability of something, although without absolute proof that one is right in doing so
Admittedly terms always kill an argument, unfortunately for you, you're wrong in this term.
I have confidence in the existence of the sun. So yeah, I believe in the reliability of the rising sun.
And while we are on the subject:
Faith-confidence or trust in a person or thing
Belief-confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof
Look it up.
My evidence won't convince you because 1. it's too complicated to explain, and 2. you would say I'm wrong even though I'm right.
-facepalm- arguing with people is so pointless. I'm never going to change my mind and you will never change yours. Can we agree to disagree?
While I agree that atheism isn't a religion, it does require faith. It's a philosophical idea that you can't disprove something by saying, "I've never seen it." In order to 100% disprove the existence of any god, you would have to have complete, all encompassing knowledge of everything created. This would make you omnipotent, and therefor, the equivalent of a god. Atheism ultimately boils down to the following of reason until you're forced to make a leap of faith. Anyone who says "There might be a god, but I'm waiting for evidence." is agnostic, and lives in a constant state of doubt. There is no faith in that. That is lukewarm. To make a stand, one way or another, is to have faith, whether it is in the affirmative or the negative.
It is too complicated to explain? Or too silly for someone with a higher intellect and maybe a little education to "believe"
An original thought here please, not something you've read in a book!
Well damn it Neo iffen god dont exist whard all this cool stuff come from (:
well considering its all man-made, and all conscientious thought is built upon with every new idea, i'd deftly have to say that it came from one hell of a time
Your argument takes place in a universe of constants, but that does not exist. No ones actually knows anything, they just believe in what they think they know. This belief in said "knowledge" comes from the accuracy and probability of said event occurring. If something occurs 9.99999... times out of 10, people make the generalization that it is a constant. That is Not the case. Said event just has a very high probability of occurring.
No one actually knows the sun will rise tomorrow, but the probability of it happening is very high. No one actually knows that touching a stove will burn them, not all stoves in the world are hot. Some of them are turned off.
Atheism is a belief, because of the variables of chance and probability. You do not actually know that there is no god. I do not actually know there is. Neither of us can actually prove either of our theories which we believe/put faith in.
Your are right about faith being a synonym to belief, but I am not sure why that is relevant to
the actual logic of your argument.
*if we wanna get really picky about the world choice and syntax i use, we can interchange the term belief with world-view. I use the term belief generally and freely since i believe in thing and not world-view things.
Plus guys do not get mad about all this god, no god stuff. Ill go ahead and spoil all the mystery for you. God is Dr. Manhattan from the watchmen. See? now life is a who lot simpler. oh wait...no its not.